Swiss tree for World of Tanks proposal by Mizutayio

While the base vehicle is the exact same as the normal Staghound, it’s armament is completely indigenous as it only used a 20mm autocannon 5 vehicles were upgunned to a 47mm gun.

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This is what i believe to be the very first version of the NK I due to the fact that it’s an enlarged Panzer 39 chassis with a sheet metal turret. This may sound like nothing special unless you know that, in the very early years of the NK I, it was mentioned that a tank on the enlarged chassis of the Panzer 39 with sheet metal turret was to be converted to the NK I was we know it. This and various other mentions in the archive documents strongly suggest that the 34M. Pz. K-41 has actually been built.

It’s main intention was it to be a SPAAG/ TD hybrid for which it used the 34 mm Flab Kan 38.

However there were other guns proposed such as the 4.7 cm Infanterie Kanone 35/41 as well as the 7.5cm Motor Gebirgskanone 1938 L22.

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Originally planned for Lithuania as LTL, LTL-H was offered to Swiss by Praga as per their requirements. Further evaluations led to development of LTH, which later entered the Swiss service as Panzer 39.

For Lithuania LTL was to mount either 20mm Oerlikon autocanon or a 37mm gun.

Only one prototype of LTL was built in april 1948 as both Lithuania and Switzerland had further specified their requirements, evetualy leading to LTH which entered service as Panzerwagen 39, and LLT for Lithuania (now based off LTH) which were built, but never delivered (USSR happpened to Lithuania before that) and eventualy ended up as LT-40s in fascist Slovakia.

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To put it simply, it’s an AMX 13 Testbed with the Panzer 61’s main gun. While only a very crude drawing is available, it was a legit project as multiple archive sources do mention this project.

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After the war Switzerland planned to built a 10.5 cm SPG project on the chassis of the G-13. Most armor would have been removed in the process.

10.5cm Hb.35 L/42 SPG project on the NK I. While Ausf. 1 being the TD version with a closed gun encasement and the Ausf. 2 being the open topped artillery version. built in 1946. never entered mass production.

Similar to the French tier 6 SPG. This one on the chassis of the Panzer 51. Never built.

Built in france, 4 prototype vehicles were bought for testing in 1959. Tests were discontinued in 1964 and the vehicles never saw mass production. This is a would be a turreted SPG.

This first M109 SPGs for the swiss army in 1966. Later upgraded to Panzerhaubitze 66/74.

Initial project of the Panzerkanone 68. The idea was to take a Panzer 58 chassis and moutn a 15cm Kanone 42/46 in a turret; never built. while no blueprints existed, it could have looked like a Panzerkanone 68 turret mounted on a Panzer 58 chassis with a shorter gun than the Panzerkanone 68.

SPG project from 1968/ 1969 on the chassis of a Panzer 68 ( earlier prototypes were on the Panzer 61 chassis.)

( I’ll try my best that WG won’t add it with an autoloader)

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While the tank itself existed, the fact that it would be equipped with a 4.7cm infantry gun is merely a proposal. It would make an otherwise shitty tier 2 gift tank *cough* into a decent tier 2 light tank with good mobility and speed but no armor at all. If the gun was to be mounted in the real tank, there would have been a couple of minor changes in the turret like seats for the loader and commander ( who also doubled as a gunner), a hatch in the rear of the turret and a mount for the gun itself.

This is very similar to the existing Panzer 38 (t) from WoT. In it’s stock configuration it would get the historical 25mm tank gun as it exists in real life.

The Panzer 39L is an elongated Panzer 39 with an additional pair of roadwheels. It would mount a 34mm AA gun which could be similar to the 37mm gun on the MT-25 maybe with a bit more penetration to not make it a turd. ( pls WG, don’t screw this up). While there are no drawings for this tank, there is a pretty good description of the tank in the archives which gives us the ability to make an Impression on how it would have looked as seen above.

Same as with the Panzer 39L this is an upgraded Panzer 39 chassis and is thought to be a successor to the 39L. It does get more armor than the 39L and additionally it also receives Sideskirts. It gets a completely new turret with decent ( up to 75mm of Turret armor excluding the gun mantle. It was to be equipped with a 7.5 cm Gun L/43 or additionally a 10.5cm Howitzer.

This is an unusual vehicle as it only showed up in the Swedish Archives. It was an early HS-30 which has a front mounted Turret with a 90mm Gun, The turret Is rather small for the gun which thus gets horrible gun depression (we’re looking at levels that make chinese tanks look good) It would be quite nimble though and quite small (1.7 meters tall) the gun is also mounted quite high so if the terrain allows it you could hide the hull and only show the relatively small turret.

This is the Swiss HS-30 as everyone knows it. It’s hull is similarly shaped to that of the Panzer 58 family. It was equipped with a 90mm Gun which would have good Depression angles ( 10°-12°). In addition it has good mobility which means that in return, it would have no armor. (30mm at best)

It’s very similar to the HS-30 with the only difference that it’s even smaller and has even better gun depression values. It’s even lighter than the HS-30 and is even faster. But that also means that it has even less protection. this time it’s 20mm at most.

This Tank which had one Prototype built, was originally meant as an AA Vehicle. It was also planned to be fitted with other Weaponry like a 90mm Gun if the Trials on the AA Prototype were successful It handles much like the Pirat and the HS-30, but it’s even lighter (11.3 Tons with a 240 bhp Engine) and at the same time being larger than the Pirat. Which means that the Armor is basically non existent and that it would be extremely mobile.

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It is a heavy tank based on the chassis on the NK II. It would have 70-75mm Of frontal armor with a top speed of 50 km/h While there wasn’t a blueprint on this vehicle per se there was however a very strong suggestion in the Shape of a Turret Drawing part of the NK I and II development.

To put it simply, Laupen 16t is originally a light tank on the chassis of the G-13. Reason why i won’t make this and Laupen 14t light tanks is due to their armament, armor and mobility. Since both have around the same nominal thickness (same as Hetzers upper plate), one having thicker plates than the other and while the other has a better slope, it would still be better than most tier 6 mediums. In addition they have a 90mm gun which would make it similar to Skoda T40 or VK 30.01 (P). Also their mobility would be bad for a proper light tank with only having a top speed of 40-45 km/h.

This Tank was by far the hardest vehicle to get any proper information for. However i have found enough material to finally complete the tank and to even get a custom Drawing made for it. There also is an earlier post on RsR so go check it out here. However to put things simple: It basically is a T20, practically no armor (70mm frontally at most, 45mm side), and a good gun, Mobility varies from document to document, while documents from 1952 say that it would go 60 km/h, however documents from 1953 say it goes 45 km/h, so WG actually have some room to balance if the rest of the tank turns out to be to good or to bad.

This is the Real Panzer 58 first prototype, unlike the Panzer 58 Mutz, which is very unhistorical as it has not only the wrong model for the Tank, but also they couldn’t get the 90mm gun right.

What they also could have done is simply give it the 20 pdr gun, less work and the extra penetration would have been welcomed.

The Armor of the ingame Panzer 58 is also very wrong as the gun mantle should have been 130mm at the thinnest part and 200mm at it’s thickest part. Not to mention the fact that the turret roof would be around twice as thick for the most part and the Turret front should have a much larger 120mm area than it currently has. Those points and the fact that KW 30/57 has sideskirts would make it much more durable than the Fake Panzer 58 in game.

Nothing Special about this vehicle. It is the first ever mass produced Tank in Switzerland. It’s similar to KW 30/57 and Panzer 58, however it has a different turret and exhaust system It’s also faster (55 km/h) since it has a bigger Engine.

It it’s essence it is a Panzer 61 with an even bigger engine and rubber pads on it’s tracks. Look at it like with the AMX 30 and 30b, however this time it’s an actual upgrade rather than mobility going down for the sake of firepower.

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40-45 ton version of KW 30. Due to the KW 30 having very poor armor with the proposed weight of 30 tons, it was suggested that KW 30 would have been uparmored to get a similar amor thickness as the M48 patton, so arround 170mm Turret armor and arround 110mm- 120mm hull armor frontally and arround 75mm side armor.

Top speed of arround 45 km/h with an estimated Hp/ton ratio of 13.3 hp/ton.

The gun would be a 90mm gun.

The reason why this never happened is because of the swiss designers figuring out rounded armor arround 2-3 years later thanks to the american Patton tanks. ( So yes, the Panzer 58 looks the way it looks thanks to the Americans)

It’s called KW 50 due to the fact that it was designed in 1950 and thus is an earlier veihcle as KW 40/52, in order to avoid confusion with the name i changed it from KW 30/50 to KW 50.

While this vehicle used to be a Medium tank candidate, it would be much better suited in the Heavy tank line. While it would have been 30 tons, it’s far from being a glass cannon. Due to it’s hull being rather well angled and most importantly, piked. Because of that, the armor thickness and thus the weight could have been reduced. In WoT’s mechanics the primary angle is 65° which is 5° off from the auto bounce area, couple that with the secondary angle of 5-10° you get a upper plate which is: while relatively thin, very effective in bouncing shots.

The Turret itself, it very well armored as well, with areas being 300-400 mm thick, it would be a hulldown monster as it has a 10° gun depression, however the Turret becomes very weak relatively quickly so shooting the turret on the most outer part may result in a pen.

In addition, the side of the hull is only 30mm which can be overmatched by most guns it meets.

The gun would be a 105mm gun with average penetration for tier 8.

And if you think that this sounds very OP, don’t forget that things like gun characteristics and ground resistance can be nerfed to make it more balanced against same tiered tanks.

Normally known as Panzer 74 from my former articles, VFZ 69 is it’s first name from 1969 when the first design was proposed. Armor would be as follows: 250 mm Frontal turret armor, 100 mm side turret armor and almost nothing on the rear.

Hull would be 120-150mm on the front ( there are no armor numbers given for the hull, this is pure guesswork) and 35ish on the side of the hull.

It would have the option to mount a 105mm L7, a 110mm gun and the famous 120mm L11 chieftain gun.

In addition to that it would have multiple engines propelling 46 tons of tank, the engine which i try to get WG to actually implement would be a 750hp engine which would give it a hp/ ton ratio of 16 hp/ton and a top speed of around 68 km/h

Same as Tier 9, however it would have a bigger turret and a hydropneumatic suspension.

The 7.5 cm gun armed version of the NK I unlike Ausf. F2, which was an open topped vehicle, F1 had a closed fighting compartment. It’s playstyle would be very similar to the German Marders.

While the base vehicle is known as the Hetzer in WoT, this G-13 version, which i found in the archives, would have the same gun as the AMX 13 75. Whether it had an autoloader or if it was loaded by hand is not known, however it certainly would be able to hold up to other tier 5 TDs.

This oddly shaped TD would be a force to be reckoned with in World of Tanks, while the only built prototype has a “mere” 7.5 cm Pak L/49, it’s project life in the 40s was quite extensive. Multiple guns ( most of them mock ups) like 7.5 cm Pak L/73, 9cm Pak. L/60, 10.5 cm Pak L/60 and 15 cm HB 16 L/14 were mounted on this vehicle.

The NK II A in WoT would only mount all 7.5 cm guns and the 9cm gun and maybe the 15 cm gun for the lols.

Same as Nahkampfkanone II A, however II B would have a layer of 15mm spaced armor all over it’s frontal armor which was actually a real proposal back in 1946 in order to make the shape of the vehicle more even.

In addition, the tier 7 version would get the above mentioned 10.5 cm Pak. L/60

It’s characteristics would be very similar to the Kanonenjagdpanzer, however it could mount the 105mm L7 gun.

Kanonenjagdpanzer version designed by MOWAG engineer Walter Ruf. It’s more or less the same as tier 8, aside from the fact that it does have two drivers, one in the front and one in the rear. It had the intention to drive backwards just as fast as it could forwards. And while it was a designfor the 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer, considering that this is from one of MOWAGs engineers, it’s safe to assume that this veihlce could also mount a 105mm L7 gun if it was ever built.

Everyone’s favourite Jagdpanzer IV on steroids, It would have very good mobility and camo rating as well as a quick firing gun. Talking about guns: It’s a modular tank so any gun could be added. The original project used the 105mm L7 but guns like the 120mm L11 could also be used.

To be honest, this is a vehicle where i barely know anything about as i’d have to look into the archives of MOWAG which i haven’t gotten access into yet. However one thing is for sure: It had paper for armor and a 9 cm gun.

the MOWAG Skorpion is going to be the bridge from the light tank line to the TD line as it’s only researchable mid-hightier turreted TD now.